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two words from mitt romney during the primary reverberated all the way through to november. the issue was his plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> people who have come here illegally won't be able to find work and over time those people would tend to leave the country or self-deport. >> reporter: the concept of self-deportation was not by itself responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics, but it surely greased the skids. also in the category of moments for which romney would like to have had a mulligan, there was this. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe they're victims. >> reporter: romney called his remarks completely wrong. they also caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of the election. on the flipside -- >> he's going to be the next vice president of the united states. >> reporter: romney's vp day may well have been the best moment of his campaign. the selection of congressman paul ryan, excited conservatives
two words from mitt romney during the primary reverberated all the way through to november. the issue was his plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> people who have come here illegally won't be able to find work and over time those people would tend to leave the country or self-deport. >> reporter: the concept of self-deportation was not by itself responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics, but it surely greased the skids. also in the category of...
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romney? >> good luck tonight. really. >> it was not a spontaneous demonstration? >> please proceed. can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's the talk of the 47%, free stuff, and the latest from tagg romney that apparently his dad never really wanted the job anyway, right? >> the clown car is so stuffed what mall aproposeisms and other stuff. we didn't know rick perry forgetting to name some -- and newt gingrich's press release and any number of comments from him. >> but there's more. let's take a look at what i'm going to call the most monumental piece of found that didn't make it into that montage. >> there are 47% of the people who wil
romney? >> good luck tonight. really. >> it was not a spontaneous demonstration? >> please proceed. can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of...
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romney. and third, i think that in the republican house conference john boehner is far more worried about 35 to 70 of his most right-wing members for now anyway, especially going up to the vote on january 3rd for speaker than he is about the business community. but i also think this false balance is part of it, that the business community, like some in the media, seem to think you have to pretend to be equidistant from the parties even though the parties are not equidistant from the center or inclined to compromise, as you showed, one to the other. president obama has given a lot more ground, sometimes to the consternation of his own party, than the republicans have. >> when i watch the sort of political strategy of a group like fix the debt or just many folks in general, many in the media, the animating underlying impulse seems to be a belief that what will lead to compromise is kind of a spirit of cooperation, everyone being nice to each other. so when people stop being nice, they get upset
romney. and third, i think that in the republican house conference john boehner is far more worried about 35 to 70 of his most right-wing members for now anyway, especially going up to the vote on january 3rd for speaker than he is about the business community. but i also think this false balance is part of it, that the business community, like some in the media, seem to think you have to pretend to be equidistant from the parties even though the parties are not equidistant from the center or...
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this was a key moment in the campaign where it lookedly maybe romney would be able to come back. obama's campaign team always thought this moment was exaggerated. the president's team always thought that was overblown, but certainly this was a big moment in the campaign. the president felt very down afterwards as glen and jonathan martin report in their new e-book what a tough period that was for the president. he had to find win himself and come back. >> so raching, finish it off, bring it to today. there's the fiscal cliff. got to be the most recent of the big points in politics for 2012. >> absolutely. that shows just how fleeting a victory is in this town. president obama won a stronger than predicted victory. he basically got every state that was seen as being open up for play, up for grabs. he won them all. he won ohio. he won virginia, he won fa fla. he campaigned largely on this issue of middle-class tax cuts, fairness for the middle class, give the middle class a chance. he saw his win as a validation of the strategy, this philosophy that he ran on, but now we've country
this was a key moment in the campaign where it lookedly maybe romney would be able to come back. obama's campaign team always thought this moment was exaggerated. the president's team always thought that was overblown, but certainly this was a big moment in the campaign. the president felt very down afterwards as glen and jonathan martin report in their new e-book what a tough period that was for the president. he had to find win himself and come back. >> so raching, finish it off, bring...
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romney only have one battleground state. tons of senate victories, again in the house, there were gains. voters agree with the handling of the economy presently and the proposals that the president has a point. it has to the one spending cuts and republicans try to pass a plan of their own, but it failed. bill kristol has criticized the plan. those are not my words, republicans have criticized that now republicans are really standing in the way of the real deal in order to defend the very top. >> republicans have a mandate as well. they were elected in the majority in the house of representatives, and their mandate is to maintain a grip on the size of government. instead of letting the president and the democrats go towards greed and bankruptcy and insolvency. they have a mandate. if they go along with raising taxes on the job creators in america, they can plan to be wiped out in the midterm election. they know that. they know the mandate is. if we can keep looking at the schools, the 50% approval rating of the president rig
romney only have one battleground state. tons of senate victories, again in the house, there were gains. voters agree with the handling of the economy presently and the proposals that the president has a point. it has to the one spending cuts and republicans try to pass a plan of their own, but it failed. bill kristol has criticized the plan. those are not my words, republicans have criticized that now republicans are really standing in the way of the real deal in order to defend the very top....
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. >> what's wrong with mitt romney? is he mean to animals? i swear, she really did ask me that. four years from now, i'll be back and have to answer these questions and more all over again because i just learned that i'm expecting a new little politico next summer. maybe next time around, alec can explain it to her little brother or sister. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> so exciting. >> tingles. >> can we go get some beers? >> yeah. happy hour after this, right? >> 30 seconds left. let's name the child right now. >> the intersection of presidential politics and of course baseball. so, as we are in the bottom of the sixth in the election cycle, the game is tight. what about basketball, you say? the next treasury secretary car me lo anthony top paid big star hurt in this dive and had to leave the game. we have a classic for you as we relate to the fiscal whatever here in washington. >> i feel like it's going to be really interesting. >> oh, classic material. i wanted to see -- >> ridiculous. >> the queen of mean when you attacked the two congress people and michael steele an
. >> what's wrong with mitt romney? is he mean to animals? i swear, she really did ask me that. four years from now, i'll be back and have to answer these questions and more all over again because i just learned that i'm expecting a new little politico next summer. maybe next time around, alec can explain it to her little brother or sister. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> so exciting. >> tingles. >> can we go get some beers? >> yeah. happy hour...
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romney did great on the first debate. we talked perhaps he could have done better on the second and the third. how it changed the landscape of the election. the ups and the downs. the superstorms. so many things came in to pla play. and what part they had. >> eric: we had a lot of fun. >> andrea: one of my favorite moment on "the five" is bob chugged the milkshake from twinkies. a lot of you didn't see it but bob ripped off the microphone because he got physically ill and ran off the set. poor guy. it was really funny to watch him chug the milkshake. we have had a lot of fun at "the five." >> kimberly:or time he threw up after chicken wing eating contest. >> eric: that was my favorite show. you had a contest. dan ab dunked him. everything came off. >> notice a theme. everything you're so happy about. beckel. >> eric: yeah. >> he's suffering. >> eric: a great time with you this year, too. we had fun. what do you make of it coming down from d.c. and hanging out with us? >> juan: the emotional quotient is so high. it's so di
romney did great on the first debate. we talked perhaps he could have done better on the second and the third. how it changed the landscape of the election. the ups and the downs. the superstorms. so many things came in to pla play. and what part they had. >> eric: we had a lot of fun. >> andrea: one of my favorite moment on "the five" is bob chugged the milkshake from twinkies. a lot of you didn't see it but bob ripped off the microphone because he got physically ill and...
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. >> the romney campaign was wrong. they thought they were going to win. if you talked to them at 5:00 on election day, they would have told you they honestly believed they were going to win. i also think that -- the country is going to vote to be in a different position, and i think we have got to understand that -- >> is that a ring tone? what ring tone was that? >> i have two ring tones. i have "dancing queen" is my general ring tone for most people, and then my wife's ring tone is "super trouper." we stay with abba all the way through. >> well, that was, in fact, "dancing queen." anyway, it's not the first time abba has caused newt to pause from politics. >> immediately allow for implementation that day of the pipeline. i had to cut off my son. that was "dancing queen." i didn't have to answer it. if it's "super trouper," it's my wife, i have to answer. i should have turned the phone off. >>> next, what money can't buy. the sunlight foundation is out with a list of congressional candidates actually who spent more than $35 per vote in the 2012 election.
. >> the romney campaign was wrong. they thought they were going to win. if you talked to them at 5:00 on election day, they would have told you they honestly believed they were going to win. i also think that -- the country is going to vote to be in a different position, and i think we have got to understand that -- >> is that a ring tone? what ring tone was that? >> i have two ring tones. i have "dancing queen" is my general ring tone for most people, and then my...
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when you look at the coalitions of the national level, mitt romney won almost 90% of votes from whites, and president obama won over 40% from nonwhites. look at the states on issues like gay marriage or the obama health care plan. blue and red states leading you in very different directions. and you get to congress. the vast majority of leaders are voted in by those who are divided. have you two cohessive coalitions. it's harder to bridge them what is the alternative? we're all here, none of us are going away. we'll find ways to work together or find more self-inflicted wounds like the fiscal cliff. >> the idea, republicans and this is the idea that has been floated, will let us go off the cliff sor they or certain members won't have to raise taxes. >> they will cut taxes retroactive retroactively. >> seems like a bad way to go. >> look, this was a machine built to encourage compromise. and it may get easier for some republicans to come back in january if we go over the cliff. the reason, of course, all the bush tax cuts expire with the cliff, when you come back, you would only be voti
when you look at the coalitions of the national level, mitt romney won almost 90% of votes from whites, and president obama won over 40% from nonwhites. look at the states on issues like gay marriage or the obama health care plan. blue and red states leading you in very different directions. and you get to congress. the vast majority of leaders are voted in by those who are divided. have you two cohessive coalitions. it's harder to bridge them what is the alternative? we're all here, none of us...
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even though romney went on to win decisive victories in key primary states eventually the republican nominee he emerged from the battle bruised. >> i don't see how a massachusetts liberal will do better. >> he is the worst republican in the country to put up against barack obama. >> reporter: romney's campaign saw several ups and downs but appearing confident and in command during the first debate romney threw president obama off his game with the president delivering a surprisingly shaky performance. >> the first debate sets the tone and can have the most impact. but, yeah, look this is a series. >> reporter: mr. obama regained his footing by the third and final debate and ultimately won re-election. >> the best is yet to come. >> reporter: 2012 also marked a milestone in implementation of president obama's health care law. in a 5-4 decision back in june the u.s. supreme court ruled the major crux of obamacare, the individual mandate is indeed constitutional. >> i'm happy. i'm pleased, to see the supreme court put the rule of law ahead of partisanship and ruled that the affordable c
even though romney went on to win decisive victories in key primary states eventually the republican nominee he emerged from the battle bruised. >> i don't see how a massachusetts liberal will do better. >> he is the worst republican in the country to put up against barack obama. >> reporter: romney's campaign saw several ups and downs but appearing confident and in command during the first debate romney threw president obama off his game with the president delivering a...
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on the flip side, romney's vp day may have been the best of his campaign. the selection of paul ryan he can cited conservatives in a way romney himself had not. how many moments are there in an hour and a half. the president lost all of them in the first debate. the pictures tell the story of a man who phoned it in, panicking his supporters and providing an opening for romney. and finally, the top three moments of the election best described as history-making politics. a supreme court decision upholding the constitutionality of obama care and if that doesn't strike you as political, can consider what would have happened on the campaign trail if the high court had struck down the president's signature first-term achievement. >> at a certain point i've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> reporter: the first president to endorse same-sex marriage was a daily double moment. good politics aimed at an activist wing of his party's base and most certainly
on the flip side, romney's vp day may have been the best of his campaign. the selection of paul ryan he can cited conservatives in a way romney himself had not. how many moments are there in an hour and a half. the president lost all of them in the first debate. the pictures tell the story of a man who phoned it in, panicking his supporters and providing an opening for romney. and finally, the top three moments of the election best described as history-making politics. a supreme court decision...
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. >> mitt romney kept saying this country could be on the road to be more like greece if we did not get our arms around it. the unemployment rate remains high. are you optimistic in the short term about our country's future. >> it is hard to be. i tried to be. if we can get this resolved, this fiscal cliff situation, and have a pathway to seeing the deficit be reduced, cannot do it overnight, if we can see there is a path, a trajectory of slowing down the growth of spending to the point you can see the deficit will ultimately go away over a reasonable time, people will start investing again, hiring again, and i spoke to a business group yesterday and asked if they would hire just because they get a tax credit for hiring people. they said no. if you see the deficit will go away and there is hope we are on the right path to fiscal sanity, will you then hired? yes. we will have markets for our products and services and then we will need more people. we are stuck right now because all we have done for a year and a half was kick the can down the road. i voted against the act a year- and-a-ha
. >> mitt romney kept saying this country could be on the road to be more like greece if we did not get our arms around it. the unemployment rate remains high. are you optimistic in the short term about our country's future. >> it is hard to be. i tried to be. if we can get this resolved, this fiscal cliff situation, and have a pathway to seeing the deficit be reduced, cannot do it overnight, if we can see there is a path, a trajectory of slowing down the growth of spending to the...
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>> we've got so much more to do. >> governor romney, he's a good deba debater. i'm just okay. >> round one, romney. >> your entitled to your own house and airplane, but not your own facts. >> i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i love big bird. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for a lost round. >> that's a bunch of malarky. >> they brought us whole binders full of women. >> we have fewer ships than in 1916. governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets. >> attacking me is not an agenda. >> the biggest battleground state of ohio. >> ohio. >> ohio is critical. >> the race could not be tighter. >> less than 24 hours to go. what will decide this race? >> we need to take back america! >> your voice must be heard! >> critical calls. >> yes, we do. ohio, president barack obama. >> there's no what ifs anymore. >> it has gone from excited to electric. >> we are and forever will be the united states of america. >> celebrations marking the queen's diamond jubilee are in high gear. >> it's a very festive occasion. >> buckingham palace has just announce
>> we've got so much more to do. >> governor romney, he's a good deba debater. i'm just okay. >> round one, romney. >> your entitled to your own house and airplane, but not your own facts. >> i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i love big bird. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for a lost round. >> that's a bunch of malarky. >> they brought us whole binders full of women. >> we have fewer ships than in 1916. governor, we...
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more than just about obama and romney. it was about socialism and capitalism. it was about spending and cutting, about what kind of role government should have in your life. number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming but didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u- s economy would be right now? >> jacqueline: often tends already 40's in vallejo, daly city 45 in pleasanton. get ready for a chilly night tonight but tomorrow the increased cloud coverage. we are seeing some high clouds with the extent of that high cloud coverage will determine how cold temperatures are going to get overnight. cold, with those of clear skies. if those clouds moved in, it could warm-up with a well- defined system cool front pressing towards the coast. it will ride by tomorrow. the futurecast by 8:00 a.m. increase with clouds. it will move in by 2:00 a.m. in the north bay. however, here comes the cool front. moderate over santa rosa, and started to press to the san mat
more than just about obama and romney. it was about socialism and capitalism. it was about spending and cutting, about what kind of role government should have in your life. number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming but didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u- s economy would be right now? >> jacqueline: often tends already 40's in vallejo, daly city 45 in pleasanton....
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he was also a romney surrogate. jimmy, do you know how much msnbc pays versus cnbc? i mean is there a reason that you feel more aligned with -- what do we got to do to get you here, anyway? >> pay me more, baby. it's called capitalism. >> oh. now -- >> the democrat speaking. >> now you like capitalism, when it applies to you. okay. we got it. jimmy, can they do anything to -- between tonight -- or they can meet with the president today, and then the house gets back on sunday. do you think they can do some stripped down bill? >> i think that -- i know they can. but they won't. and the reason they won't is because speaker boehner, who i like and you and i have talked about, cannot get -- listen, if he can't get a million bucks threshold on a tax cut through his chamber, what's he going to do get $500,000? it's not going to happen. what i think is going to happen at the white house this afternoon, though, is these folks are going to come in, sit down with the president, they're going to say, okay, we're all jumping over the cliff. so what do we do after the cliff? and t
he was also a romney surrogate. jimmy, do you know how much msnbc pays versus cnbc? i mean is there a reason that you feel more aligned with -- what do we got to do to get you here, anyway? >> pay me more, baby. it's called capitalism. >> oh. now -- >> the democrat speaking. >> now you like capitalism, when it applies to you. okay. we got it. jimmy, can they do anything to -- between tonight -- or they can meet with the president today, and then the house gets back on...
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so i need you to say -- you cannot say the president or mitt romney in the answer to these questions. name your political winner and loser of 2012. roll land? >> winner, latinos, prejudice is going to push forward when it comes to immigration reform and folks from the west indies and caribbean and other parts of the country. my loser, crazy republican males who don't know how to talk about the issue of rape. don't touch it or you're going to get burned. that's the biggest loser of 2012. >> okay, erick, i know he doesn't include new that crazy white thing that he's talking about. what are your winners and losers? >> he just doesn't like the way i dress bill burton and the super pac. lose ares on the left, unions are huge. and losers, john cornyn, horrible recruitment two years in a row and this time they didn't have jim demint to blame. >> don't blame that texan on me. >> okay. take it up with him after the show. erick erickson, roland martin, thank you very much. happy new year, guys. >>> hopes have been crushed and families in the making have been ripped apart. a new law bans america
so i need you to say -- you cannot say the president or mitt romney in the answer to these questions. name your political winner and loser of 2012. roll land? >> winner, latinos, prejudice is going to push forward when it comes to immigration reform and folks from the west indies and caribbean and other parts of the country. my loser, crazy republican males who don't know how to talk about the issue of rape. don't touch it or you're going to get burned. that's the biggest loser of 2012....
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. >> mitt romney kept saying this country could be on the road to be more like greece if we did not get our arms around it. the unemployment rate remains high. are you optimistic in the short term about our country's future. >> it is hard to be. i tried to be. if we can get this resolved, this fiscal cliff situation, and have a pathway to seeing the deficit be reduced, cannot do it overnight, if we can see there is a path, a trajectory of slowing down the growth of spending to the point you can see the deficit will ultimately go away over a reasonable time, people will start investing again, hiring again, and i spoke to a business group yesterday and asked if they would hire just because they get a tax credit for hiring people. they said no. if you see the deficit will go away and there is hope we are on the right path to fiscal sanity, will you then hired? yes. we will have markets for our products and services and then we will need more people. we are stuck right now because all we have done for a year and a half was kick the can down the road. i voted against the act a year- and-a-ha
. >> mitt romney kept saying this country could be on the road to be more like greece if we did not get our arms around it. the unemployment rate remains high. are you optimistic in the short term about our country's future. >> it is hard to be. i tried to be. if we can get this resolved, this fiscal cliff situation, and have a pathway to seeing the deficit be reduced, cannot do it overnight, if we can see there is a path, a trajectory of slowing down the growth of spending to the...